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So many things about yesterday made me happy!

The fangirls, they didst watch the last episode of Doctor Who, and lo, the fangirls did go thud, for it was good.

They didn't Doomsday it! Yay!

[Doomsday: verb. To follow up a brilliant first episode of a season finale with a thoroughly mediocre conclusion.]

The stir-fry I made for the gathering seemed to go over really well. I'll probably be making it again.

Note to self: post recipe at some point.

Afterward, [livejournal.com profile] yunatwilight helped [livejournal.com profile] mirrored_echo and me with character creation for a game she'll be running. This may sound strange, but going through the numbers helped me solidify some things in my character's personality and backstory.

By the time we were done, it was getting late-ish, so [livejournal.com profile] yunatwilight and [livejournal.com profile] mirrored_echo went off to bed. [livejournal.com profile] wired_lizard, [livejournal.com profile] nevacaruso and I stayed up to talk shop. And by 'talk shop' I mean sniff all of [livejournal.com profile] wired_lizard and [livejournal.com profile] yunatwilight's BPAL. Reviews - mini or otherwise - forthcoming. Yatta!

Oh, and before any of this, I got to beta read [livejournal.com profile] wired_lizard's latest fic. Duuuude. She made me care about Gwen, and lemme tell ya, that takes mad skillz! The fic in question can be found here.

How did I cap off this wonderful day? By waking up the next morning with the cat snuggled up to me. I feel like I should be purring happily.

Date: 2007-07-01 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverrose.livejournal.com
(Sorry, couldn't stand the bad code and LJ won't let us edit comments)

The fangirls, they didst watch the last episode of Doctor Who, and lo, the fangirls did go thud, for it was good.
Which fangirls are those?? You're the first person I've read who didn't think Last of the Time Lords was absolute and total dreck.

Date: 2007-07-01 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mllelaurel.livejournal.com
Myself and a group of my friends - the same friends mentioned in the rest of the entry. Unless someone was really holding out, all involved were happy with the episode.

Date: 2007-07-01 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverrose.livejournal.com
Wow, that... just amazing. The misogyny doesn't bother you? The Tinkerbell!Jesus!Doctor? That instead of doing something herself to save the world, Martha was spreading the gospel of The Doctor? Jack=Face of Boe???? "I forgive you"?? The general plot holes big enough to drive a tank through?

I'm truly glad someone enjoyed it!

Date: 2007-07-01 06:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mllelaurel.livejournal.com
I saw no misogyny.

The Doctor's powers, in this case, were granted by the belief of others (and a telepathic network), rather than his own intrinsic specialness, which I liked.

'Doing something herself'? Like what? The way I see it, Martha took a working plan and made it work. which is way more heroic than something flashier that only worked as self-sacrifice might have been. (Also? Letting herself be captured and humbled, pretending to lose, then looking up at the Master with that smile o her face, going 'by the way, I tricked you'? That took guts, cleverness, acting skills and calm in the face of danger. And let's not forget that she's the one who tricked the Master then. There's no way the Doctor could have had the knowledge or the time to help her with that.)

Jack as the Face of Boe was unexpected and what-the-fucky, but that doesn't intrinsically make it bad. It's also a hell of a lot less cruel than letting him live to the end of the universe and end up among the Toclafane-humans, likely as not.

"I forgive you" I quite liked. A lot. It was both the most devastating thing the Doctor could have said, knowing the Master's stubbornness, a nice twist on this season's Man of No Second Chances pattern, and indicative of the relationship we've seen between the two before (particularly Three era).

Plot-hole wise, a few things could be tightened or better-foreshadowed in Sound of Drums, but it did all fit together.

Date: 2007-07-01 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverrose.livejournal.com
As I said, I'm glad someone liked it. I found it to be an enormous letdown. If I'd read it as a fanfic I might have thought it a bit clever for an amateur, but I expect canon to work better than that (and I actually read several fics that were far better than what they broadcast.)

Date: 2007-07-01 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cktraveler.livejournal.com
I've been seeing more like a 3-to-1 dislike-to-like ratio, myself.

Most people seem to have the same complaints. A lot of things that didn't work for me as well as they could have simply needed to have been set up during "The Sound of Drums" or earlier (Jack's little nickname needed to have been set up two seasons ago to work).

Could you elaborate on the misogyny? I saw the usual "Companion can't save world, Doctor must save world" but interpret that less as sexism than as convention. None of the Doctor's male companions get to be the one to push the big red button either. The Master was/is a sexist asshole, but he always has been so that wasn't any news.

Date: 2007-07-01 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cktraveler.livejournal.com
On reflection, I take the next-to-last back -- Mickey Smith saved the world when the Doctor couldn't in both "Aliens of London" and "The Age of Steel" and Pete Tyler in "Father's Day." But, then, Rose in "Rose," "Dalek," and "The Parting of the Ways."

Date: 2007-07-01 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverrose.livejournal.com
All three of the black women introduced this season were in little black-and-white maids outfits by the end of the finale. Master: "It's always the women." "Companion can't save the world, Doctor must save world" being convention in the 60s/70s doesn't make it less ebil in 2007. Lucy Saxon's black eye. Mrs Jones pointing the gun at the Master and Tinkerbell!Jesus!Doctor (I stole that from someone, no credit claimed) telling her she's "better than that". The traitor being a woman, of course. There were more examples in posts on [livejournal.com profile] doctorwho, but those are the ones that come to mind.

Date: 2007-07-01 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mllelaurel.livejournal.com
The Master is sexist hence maid outfits and...well, most of what you just said. It may not be an appropriate way to behave, but that doesn't make it a less valid characterization point to use, especially with a villain. We were not given to doubt that his actions were wrong, and that includes the sexism as well as the genocide.

"You're better than that." That struck me as the doctor acting as a Negotiator. It's what you do if someone's pointing gun at someone else and you're in a position to stop them. He knew what it would do to Francine if she fired that gun and Martha's mom breaking into tiny pieces would be a bad thing.

The pattern I'm seeing here is striking me as 'any negative portrayal of women is misogynist'. This strikes me as incredibly counterproductive. I'd rather see utterly fallible female characters, who are capable of great good, great evil and great fucking up then perfection in the name of some ideal. No one would be making patterns if all of the above were guys. Yes, I mean that all. As long as motivation is valid and the characterization follows through, characters should be characters, regardless of gender.

Date: 2007-07-01 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverrose.livejournal.com
Whatever. Doctor=Messiah=dreck. This godly crap has been pissing me off for two seasons and now here's a companion who occasionally tells him to shove it and what happens? "Low ratings with focus groups". Riiiight. I am so done with this.

Date: 2007-07-02 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cktraveler.livejournal.com
Nobody said the Master wasn't a misogynist. He is. Part of the point of his humiliating the Joneses was to illustrate how ridiculously petty and vindictive he is. There is nothing wrong with villains being prejudiced.

Doctor Who has never been an ensemble show; it's about the Doctor's adventures. Setting up the Doctor and the Master as opposites -- something that's been played up more than ever here -- would have made any resolution provided by Martha alone massively unsatisfying. Is it "ebil" that Robin never gets to collar the crooks? Or is that okay because Robin's male?

I don't see how the Doctor telling a woman not to use a gun is sexist when the Doctor tells everybody not to use guns. Was it misandristic when the Doctor ordered Jack not to shoot the cannibals in "Utopia"?

There were far more male traitors than female, since the Master's guards turned on him the moment the actual plan started to go into action, accompanying Jack to the TARDIS as backup. My problem with Lucy killing the Master was that it was just so obvious -- the traumatized wife shooting her tormentor.

Double standards, double standards, double standards.

Date: 2007-07-02 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverrose.livejournal.com
Setting up the Doctor and the Master as opposites -- something that's been played up more than ever here -- would have made any resolution provided by Martha alone massively unsatisfying.

*shrug* We'll agree to disagree- I would love to have seen Martha truly "save the day". (Or Robin- it's cool to see sidekicks come through sometimes!)

Was it misandristic when the Doctor ordered Jack not to shoot the cannibals in "Utopia"?
You're right- it as just his usual "I always know best"/control freak routine, and I hated that just as much- nothing double standard there. Hmm, bad guys trying to rip you to pieces? Yes, shooting them is a pretty valid response in my book! I keep forgetting this is a children's show and expect it to be something I can take seriously. Thanks for the reminder.

Date: 2007-07-01 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I didn't understand your Doomsday comment... could you explain?

Date: 2007-07-01 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mllelaurel.livejournal.com
Last season, I found Army of Ghosts an utterly brilliant, scary, well-plotted episode. Then, Doomsday fucked it up in favor of pandering to the fanboys (Daleks vs. Cybermen) and the fangirls (unnecessary prolonged goodbye between Rose and Ten). This damaged the episode's credibility and thoroughly wasted AoG's potential. Thus, to Doomsday something is to waste the excellent potential of a preceding episode.

Date: 2007-07-01 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Okay, now I understand. Thanks for explaining.

Date: 2007-07-01 09:02 pm (UTC)

Date: 2007-07-02 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mirrored-echo.livejournal.com
Eee! Yesterday was definitely a lot of fun. And Doctor Who-watching is ridiculously fun when accompanied by squeeing (and more canon-aware than I'll probably ever be) fangirls. I wish I'd started this sooner! :)

Date: 2007-07-02 01:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mllelaurel.livejournal.com
Awww!

...Y'know, I bet we can continue with these 'movie nights' even though the season is over. There's plenty of the classic series to watch, after all.

Date: 2007-07-02 03:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mirrored-echo.livejournal.com
I hope we do! I really need to get at least semi-educated now so that I can catch references. :) And yes, there is a lot.

Date: 2007-07-02 04:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mllelaurel.livejournal.com
Those of us who've seen more of the series should make a list of good serials to start with.

Date: 2007-07-02 04:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mirrored-echo.livejournal.com
Yes. Yes, you should! ::eyes gleam::

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